Posted May 19, 2006 at 02:34PM by Kyle M. Listed in: Controller, News Tags: David Yarnton
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PS3 Vs Wii


It's nothing new to hear about the rivalry between Nintendo and Sony after this years E3 expo since both have controllers that are sporting various forms of motion sensor technology.
Today, Nintendo UK boss David Yarnton openly attacked Sony for stealing Nintendo's ideas, past and present. Yarnton said "Historically we're always developing new things. We know Sony have had a lot of issues with their rumble feature and they've had to withdraw it - because they didn't innovate, they copied"; obviously referring to both the past legal drama involving rumble technology, and motion-sensing ideas in the PS3 controller which is allegedly copying Nintendo's Wii controller.
Sidewinder
However, it is common knowledge that motion sensor technology has been around of quite some time now. For example, Microsoft's Sidewinder Freestyle Pro 1.0 for the PC has been around for over a decade; and although we cannot find an exact date of when it was released (probably because the internet wasn't used so much back then), it was developed for Windows 95/98, and so would have been fist released in the late 1990's. But this wasn't the only controller using motion sensor technology in the 1990's.

Here's a snippet of a gaming show that features a Playstation 1 controller called the "Tiltforce 2" made by Pelican accessories. This controller had motion sensor technology back in 1999! Sure, it wasn't made by Sony, but how could they copy something that was already available on their original console?




Yarnton also said: "With Nintendo, I'm trying to think of anything we've copied... but I can't". I wonder if he'd think the same after seeing this video.


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   by Bryan (Unregistered) - 2006-05-20
 » You all need to shut the ***** up

Everyone copies each other.
For example, who was the first to have the 3 screen level brightness on thier handheld??
SONY!

   by lala (Unregistered) - 2006-05-20
 » oh oh copy

oh how bout the game gear with its analog brightness control? dont forget where it was originally copied from

   by ***** NINTENDO (Unregistered) - 2006-05-20
 » What's copied?

They have a remote and sony has a controller

   by Fanboys need to die. (Unregistered) - 2006-05-20
 » PSP touchscreen

when the new PSP2 comes out with touchscreen, then what do sony useless fanboy tools have to say?

First you fanboys say its gimmicky! now look, DS is straight whoopin that ass.

now look at Wii's controller. Almost every sony and MS fanboy said its gimmicky! now look. Sony just had to implement some kind of inferior motion detection from Pelican.

Rumble. shoulder buttons, analog, motion detection, and eventually TOUCHSCREEN for their next portable. Why do fanboys insist on defending Sony? Why? they're not paying you $hit. You're paying them.

The proof is there. Just stop and enjoy the games for phucks sake! Don't even think about defending SONY when the touchscreen is announced down the line.

   by HisBrother (Unregistered) - 2006-05-21
 » Motion Sensoring

You're all fools...You think Nintendo copied?Lol let me show you the time line of motion sensoring for Nintendo..

It all started in 1989..YES FREGIN 1989!!!With the NES power glove!!!!

Than of course...Kirby Tilt and Tumble in like 1994 for the GBC!!YES FREGIN 1994!!!

Than Warioware Twisted on the Gba which was when?2004??

2005 is the Wiis turn...

Who copied who now???????PUNKS!!!Microsoft so copied the power glove and GBC...Get your facts straight QJ.NET!!!

   by ffaldkja (Unregistered) - 2006-05-21
 » correction

it started with the atari's motion sensoring controler for the 2600, so nintendo doesnt have sh** to dreams. They took it off of atari. So how bout you get your facts straight as well. Nintendo copied Atari, Nintendo implemented it with wii, people said the boomerang controler sucked, sony went back to the ds design, modded it, people liked the wiiremote enough for sony to hear enough people thinking it would work so they took the original concept for the ps2 controller and put in the motion sensor. is it so much copying or is it really sony listening to your whinny as**s to try and give you what you want while pushing new hardware formats?

   by GaaraSama (Unregistered) - 2006-05-21
 » Nothing is copied

Like the poster before me said, motion sensoring is a very old technique and was available for Atary 20 Years ago the first time. Nintendoīs Wiimote is really a lot way different than simple Motion Sensoring so Nin really invented a brand new controller technique. Sony hasnīt copied anything from Nin because the new PS3 Controller has more of the Sidewinder from MS than from the Wiimote. Wiimote is more like a pointing device with motion sensoring, itīs a lot more precise and itīs like a touchpad thing without touching the Screen. Itīs a little bit like Nin wanted take the feature from the Nin DS handheld and develop it further for a real Console so that gaming is more intuitive.

   by James Chicken (Unregistered) - 2006-05-21
 » Sony are the copyers

now how can you look at the wiimote and say it looks like tiltforce 2? nintendo anounce their controler before sony but the wiimote looks like tiltforce 2? duelshock 3 (is that the name?) on the other hand had the idea right infrount of there noses but they dicieded to leave the 3rd partys to themselfs, until now, now that they hear about the wiimote, there scared that they will lose pertential buyers, so they need an idea that will atract new gamers but at the same time, no one can call them copy cats, so they look back and copy the idea off pelican, tell me its not true, but it is

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   by Gorlax (Unregistered) - 2006-05-21
 » Sessler's hilarious

I can't believe Adam Sessler was a bigger loser before with that bizarre hairdo.

   by Sp1dy (Unregistered) - 2006-05-21
 » Umm...

Doesn't the Wii have a DVD player in it? If no, oh well. But M$ still copied that off of Sony.

   by Hunting you (Unregistered) - 2006-05-21
 » NO one is copying nayone...

both controllers are using different technology...
both sense motion in different ways... and who knows... maybe sony did have the idea of motion sensing from the begining :/
correct me if im wrong... But doesnt the ps3 controller only senses tilts, up and down and side to side motions?
But the Wii mote senses up down, left right (rotations), foward and back movements, and side to side? basicly ever possible dimensions? sensing the distance from the console? Meh havent been paying attention to the info on the consoles so I'm probably wrong

   by lordkamon (Unregistered) - 2006-05-21
 » innovation

Copy copy copy, I don't give a crap about copies, almost EVERYTHING is a copy nowadays, innovation is so rare that it fscking rocks when it show's it'self. What i really hate is when a company like Sony, who's tried to take the floor out from nintendo ever since it came out with the PS1, senses it's rapid decline and decides to capitalize on another's ideas. Namely, the Wii-mote.

The wii-mote is almost total innovation, sure it uses god-knows-how-old motion sensing technology that was almost certainly not Ninty's idea, but it uses it in a way that was never before seen on any console. It's not a crappy tilt function that tries to mimic an analog stick, it's a full blown all sensing device that, combined with the infrared sensor, can sense every movement and position of the remote in a 3d space! This is VR technology finally in a home gaming console, I for one have been waiting for something similar to this ever since i first touched a controller.

Tilt functions have been around for almost as long as consoles have, but the Wii takes it farther than ever before they really didn't copy anyone, sure, the technology may be the same, but it's utilized in a way never before seen, and that in my book, makes it super.

PS: The same tilt sensing idea that was present in the ps1 controller by pelican was present in a n64 perhiphrial that combined it with a rumble pack, made by a 3rd company, exact date and company i don't know, i remember it from an old Tips and Tricks magazine.

PPS: If im a fanboy, the most I am is an m$ hater, i now own almost all the main systems created to this day including all sega , ninty, and sony systems, including psp, ds, all forms of Gameboy, CDX, gamegear, 32x, and atari, the only reason i don't have an xbox is that there arent that many games for it i'd want to shell out the cash for that i can't already play on some other system, and i dont call 5+ games a reason to buy a system.

   by PSPlanet (Unregistered) - 2006-05-21
 » PSPlanet

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   by Muscrat (Unregistered) - 2006-05-21
 » Hehee

Wow thas ALOT of Posts!

Im pleased $ony stuck with the Dual Shock Design and added L2 + R2 trigger ITS BETTER THAN THE BATRANG!
And as much as I like the Wii I have to face it the Dual shock 3 will be geat for games, much like the other daul shocks before it. $ony has realised that their controller is well known and recognised, but needed some adjustment and improvements. THe gyro however, dosent seem like the selling point, unlikie the Wii, which is completley based around its revonlutionary controller.

Im not attacking the Wii mote but, I have to admit though for certain types of games the Wii-mote would be shocking, and I much rather a DS3.

The Wii's design perfectly suits certain games, but also limits itself, $ony has played it safe, and fixed up their controller and added the gyro, which seems to be more or less another controll option, and $ony admits its not trying to be innovative and out there like the Wii.

'Sigh' im sick of hearing the Nintendo's innovative and Sonys not argument. Get over it. I will be buyin g a Wii and a PS3, and you have to realise that these consoles are EXTREMLY different, and you just cant start waving your arms about flaming one of them, unless you hold a personal vendetta against $ony or Nintendo :D

   by ... (Unregistered) - 2006-05-22
 » Copying?

I really don't think that Sony is copying Nintendo. I don't hate Nintendo, nor do I hate Sony, I own a DS and PSP. But look at the Eyetoy for PS2! That's similar to a motion-sensing controller, so it's very possible that Sony has had this idea on the table for awhile.

   by KaNo (Unregistered) - 2006-05-22
 » lol copying

BTW all the cntroller with a motion and analog is a middle of a n64 controller other ***** is tv controller who is copying now :O

   by You Boob (Unregistered) - 2006-05-25
 » LOOK

HOW THE HELL CAN YOU SAY THAT SONY CANT THINK UP OF ANYTHING BETTER THAN NINTENDO?

DUDE, NINTENDO ARE EVEN WORSE THAN MICROSOFT AND SONY ARE BETTER THAN MICROSOFA NO DOUBT, HC OUTPUT AND BLUE-RAY READER. PS3 IS A BARGAIN

DONT JUST BE A PRICK AND SAY ITS BETTER BECAUSE YOU LIKE IT BETTER. JUST READ THIS IS THINK ABOUT IT, ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT IT. DONT JUST SAY SHUT UP, JUST THINK ABOUT IT


Xbox 360:

20gb
ethernet cable
wireless controller
HD Output
17 times more powerfull than the PS2

all for Ģ279 (amazon)

PS3:

60gb (3 times xbox)
wireless controller
WIFI (Xbox dont have it)(hahahahaha)
HD Output
Blue-Ray
35 times more powerfull than the PS2

all for Ģ425

Ok, Now The PS3 is x2 more powerfull thank Xbox, so that should be double price which is Ģ558

Ok, NOW SUCK ON THIS, THATS MORE THAN THE PS3 PLUS THE PS3 HAS WIRELESS INTERNET AND IT HAS 3 TIMES MORE MEM STORAGE AND PS3 HAS BLUE-RAY DVD READER WHICH COSTS Ģ600 ANYWAY

AND YOU MAY BE THINKING WHY I AM COMPAIRING IT TO XBOX, ITS BECAUSE XBOX IS BETTER THAN NINTENDO.

SUCK ON IT

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   by ???????? (Unregistered) - 2006-05-25
 » You are wrong

Listen without nintendo there would beno sony so stop saying they suck. Oh and xbox is not better your opinion. Bsides the LIIIIIIISSSTEN YOU FANBOOYS WHO THINK SONY IS SO GREAT. Look at the wavebird it wasnt the 1st wirelles controller but it was the first non crappy 1 its the same with the wii. Withou nintendo there would be no sony or microsoft weel at least no gaming consoles from them. And about 3rd mistretmen at least they dont bribe them like micrsoft. Stil you have to admeiit thay this is cheap. So stop you gay sony fanboys and admit that theyre idea came from nitendo already dorks.

   by what (Unregistered) - 2006-05-26
 » Plagarisum 3 really.....

PS3 is all plagarisum, dont matter about controllers. What about hard drive? (xbox idea), online (xbox live anyone), realistic graphics games, its all a joke so all of you get over it, the winning machine will show in sales, so as both Microsoft and Sony have said the Nintendo would be a great second console, you do the math.

   by a noob (Unregistered) - 2006-05-26
 » Pfffffff

Internet is filled of stupid 14 yr old kiddies that think that after reading 4 lines they know everything. Don't brag and spit words without knowing what are you talking about... for example:

- "Sony copied the Nintendo motion sensor...."
- "But Sony has the sensor patented from 1999"
- "In the PS3 you'll have a web browser and blablabla compatibility with PSP, and Nintendo don't offer this things..."

Patetic. Sony didn't stole anything... they're different systems, different kind of sensors (Sony -> 6 directions; Nintendo -> 3D). Nintendo have the Opera Browser for DS and Wii.

And you better go to school, you're losing too much neurons spitting no-senses.

   by zero (Unregistered) - 2006-05-27
 » blabla you talking smack

hahaah everyone thinks they know everything dont they..

   by no rumble (Unregistered) - 2006-05-28
 » no rumble

if theres no dual shock why is the ps3 controller still called dual shock 3

   by snake1462 - 2006-05-28
 » dual shock 3

its not really called that, its just been dubbed with the name for now

   by fds (Unregistered) - 2006-05-28
 » wii then ps3

well to be honest, for the first time im actually going with nintendo this round of gaming counsels. i am doing this because of the gameplay will be so much better, i dont care about graphics and if it can heat my entire house, its the gameplay and use of controllers that will get me to have fun, n ill be able to afford it now. then eventually, after a while ill pry get a ps3, itll be a few more years at least tho cause i think bluray wont be everywhere real soon seems how its so expensive right now, i like to let the new technology simmer down to half price ;)

   by nakedsnake (Unregistered) - 2006-05-29
 » whos copying who now

think about it. Sony was the first company to put a DVD player inside a Console, and then microsoft did the same thing, but you had 2 pay for it. Now, Nintendo, in a totally original move which they cant have got elsewhere is putting a DVD player inside their console. Yeah, thats not copying. Also, sony announced ages ago that the PS3 would contain a next generation video format, and now, 6 months after release Microsoft is releasing their own format, again in a crappy way as you have to buy it.

Sure Sony have taken ideas from other companies, but dont forget that they in turn have taken from other places. heck without companies taken ideas from others, the gaming industry would never get anywhere (eg FPS games would have to be made by the same company who created them in the 1st place) companies always take other ideas, but add to them in their own way to make them unique.

personally, i cant wait to get my hands on the PS3 and play games such as warhawk using the tilt sensing. It could get annoying with the Wii if every game uses the sensing technology.

Also, on that point y would u need to put emulated games on the system Nintendo? afraid that the games you got for your console aint gonna b good enough

   by WOW (Unregistered) - 2006-05-30
 » ALL OF YOU NEED TO SHUT THE ***** UP

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   by Gregulator (Unregistered) - 2006-05-31
 » It's ironic

This statement is ironic
"Would you say that they should never have made the arcade machines because they copied the world's first electronic game, pong?"
because in context to of what is being discussed, pong actually copied someone else's idea and had a law suit filed against them and they were forced to pay royalties... Haha, man the irony is palpable.

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   by Voice of Reason (Unregistered) - 2006-06-01
 » Ahem...

Wow, so much flaming, ignorance, and pointless arguing.



POWER GLOVE, anyone...?


   by newzealandgamer (Unregistered) - 2006-06-05
 » you idiots

Hahahaaha, you guys crack me up.

Guess what Sony fanboys, that wasn't true motion-tracking/sensing. it was tilt-sensing. There was a basic gyro system inside it, the actual position of the controller was impossible for the playstation to know. the capeabilities of this are similar to a 'spirit level' device that measures what angle something is on or how straight it's sides are. it uses gravity to guage this measurement and is therefore a stone-age technology.

Nintendo are using something more akin to what motion capture animation systems work with, using actual X Y Z coordinates, with the added inclusion of a gyro (they renamed it accelerometer). The Wiimote is innovative and far outdoes the Sony gaystation 3 monstrosity.

   by CodeRed001 (Unregistered) - 2006-06-05
 » In your face Nintendo.

Sony rocks!



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